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07/16/2003 Entry: "The Peace Movement was and is right about Iraq"

"And here you come along and bitch we're not sufficiently optimistic? What do we have to be optimistic about, Tacitus? Every pessimistic and gloomy assessment about the aftermath of the war has come true. Pretty much everything that could be screwed up, was screwed up. We're occupying an increasingly hostile nation, one whose basic services we can't seem to provide, and you want me to be optimistic about the formation of a fairly powerless council?

"Fuck optimism. Optimism was what got us into this damn mess in the first place. Had people at State and Defense been more realistic, and less optimistic, then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

"Sorry, Tacitus. Optimism is earned. This isn't any sort of damn test for us 'anti-war people'. It's a test for the 'pro-war people'.

"You got us into this mess. You got us into this mess over our objections, and you have so far managed to screw it up badly. And then you try to come along and bitch that we're not supportive enough?

"Sorry, Tacitus. This is your test. Your trial. You pushed for it, you argued for it, and now you're stuck with it. You wanted this mess, you've got it. Now it's your job to get it right."

Skeptical Notion gets close to summing up how I feel about the Iraq war and occupation horror and fiasco, except that I think we should declare victory and get the hell out of there, if I may paraphrase Senator George Aiken.

I was never for this war because I knew it was unjust, illegal and disorganized. I still know that and I have nothing to prove to anyone. Bring our soldiers home, send aid, lots of it, to clean up the mess the US and UK made of Iraq, call it finished for the US and let history judge us all.

Replies: 3 comments

That's the pity of it though, isn't it? The US, having invaded a sovereign nation, can't pull out now - it has to administer the Pax Americana whether it likes it or not. The alternative is a bloodbath where armed gangs have an all out civil war and the meanest thugs win. Or Iran invades.

So, Americas only options are hard ones - train Iraqis in democracy, or get a puppet state (as in Afghanistan) up and running. Either way, if it is done quickly, it will fall apart quickly.

Still, look on the bright side. At least with half your army tied down any future Republican President won't be able to invade anywhere else.

Posted by Larry Lurex @ 07/17/2003 01:31 AM PST

Larry,

I'm not saying the US does not have to clean up the mess. I am saying that we've got to get our military out of there because they're just salt in the wound by now.

It's costing the US about 6 billion a week (I think, I read it somewhere, don't quote me) to keep the military in Iraq. I really think the UN, NGOs and other types of aid could do much more and maybe for less $. I'm pretty sure they could get basic services up and running, too.

Armies are for fighting, not for building. Get the uniforms out of there now.

Ginger

Posted by Ginger @ 07/17/2003 11:30 AM PST

Now Ginger,

Why are you not optomistic. You are claiming that all those things are going wrong in Iraq. That is exactly what you have been hoping for. You announced that you were praying for Saddam before the war and since you maintain things are going badly for the United States, you should be deleiriouly happy. It is probably difficult to contain your glee everytime an American soldier is killed. You and Tokyo Rose. Only you approach your hopes from an angle in which you actually profess to be concerned about America. You are concerned about the United States in the same fashion as were the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss.

Don

Posted by Don @ 07/17/2003 09:30 PM PST

 

 

 

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